Need a compression release on a 212 Hemi.... (2024)

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Anybody got any ideas on how to release the compression on a 212 Hemi? Last one had such a nasty kickback that I've decided this one will get some sort of compression release, something like I've had factory on dirtbikes (think early 70's Yamaha thumpers).
Having a little momentum going before pulling on through the squish stroke really helps when you've got high compression issues on the pull start. Want to flip a release for a second, then spin it on up.
Note: Will be starting engine remotely, sitting in the kart, some kind of kickstart, or maybe a short stroke lever.

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hmm..
pulling it to where it should be (tdc compression) before pulling the rope doesn't work?
the engine has a compression release build in for exactly that reason..
and while it's centrifugal it still works when properly started.
(blindly yanking the rope mostly hurts however Need a compression release on a 212 Hemi.... (3))

Anyways if you want to add a secondary compression release...
I'm actually not to sure it'd be easy..
while one could force the exhaust valve open slightly,
one cannot make sure it's not hitting the piston which would be baaaad.
or one would need a secondary cam to prevent that,
and a drilled port in the cylinder head just for compression release
is not actually a great idea either I think.
And I wouldn't know how to tighten that once the eninge is running reliably.

if you haven't bought the predator already.. just buy a ducar 212 instead that is available with electric start Need a compression release on a 212 Hemi.... (4)

ORRR get the original Rato 210-III (what Horror fraud sells as predator)
but with e-start if you want some of the mods (all, except the flywheel would fit)
(I think they do too on the Ducar 212 but I don't know for sure)

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Agree with Sid here. Pull the rope slowly until you're up against resistance then give it a firm tug. No need to extend the rope fully or yank on it, usually a quick tug or two is all you need. As long as the spark plug is healthy and the carb is clean, it should start up relatively easily.

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Have Predator, will yank. (Old B&W TV western......)

Just got the Hemi. Can't erase the memory of my half-sprained wrist from the first time the other Hemi unexpectedly whipped back before getting through the squish. Might have just not been holding tight enough, but it got me again after that too. Tell me about that built-in release, have heard something like that before, don't know how it works. Is that TDC between blow and suck, or squish and bang? Anywhere after the TDC of compression but before TDC of exhaust would provide enough room to get up and go with some momentum. I never yank the rope from where it sits, always gently catch it on the start of recoil first, so my arm needs some distance from there to build up speed enough to easily plow through the full squish stroke. Too slow a yank on that minibike I built would result in yanking the whole thing up off the ground. Need a compression release on a 212 Hemi.... (6)

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This is taken from a Robin Subaru EX Series engine repair manual. Pretty sure they're all similar.

DECOMPRESSION SYSTEM
The automatic decompression system is mounted on
the camshaft. It opens the exhaust valve before the
compression top, thereby alleviating the compression
pressure and reducing the force required to pull the
recoil starter.
During engine operation, the decompression system is
overpowered by centrifugal force and compression is
fully utilized to produce power.

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What kind of cam/valvetrain and everything are you running on said wrist-killing Hemi?
There are E start kits out there for Honda GX200s and Predator non hemis:https://www.ebay.com/itm/ELECTRIC-S...610763?hash=item5b193029cb:g:Z0AAAOSwKIpV-tMx
But the flywheel taper would be different and you wouldn't have the billet flywheel that you probably have.
You could also go the racer's route and get a separate handheld electric starter, but that means you lose the capability to restart it on the road, or when you're away from your house. Plus handheld starters are pricey.

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First question should be is the engine stock ?

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I've read about these hemis doing this and have had an engine do this before. My briggs intek 206 has a real light spring on the compression release. I went to pull it over and the first through eighth pull (the engine was completely junk) went ok, but on the ninth pull I almost ripped my arm off. I eventually got it to turn over using the normal leak down, but the best I can tell was that the compression release didn't have time to get where it needed to be.

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Amazed at that action train......

Really appreciate that built-in release info, will play with the rope to see what I can feel. Other hemi never had the case cracked open, only intake, custom exhaust, jetting got hopped up, plus my secret procedure with Royal Purple break-in oil ($12 per qt.).
This one will get all that, plus PVL flywheel, 22 lb. valve springs, resistor-free coil w/8mm copper wire, possibly a timing advance key beyond the new flywheel's setup.
How the pull-start problem can be overcome will determine whether the remote start setup I'll build is a short-stroke foot-pedal or pull-lever. Will be a pedal if problem not fixed to my satisfaction.
Note: The reason for tossing the governor without getting a billet flywheel on previous hemi wasn't stupidity. I depended on the stock valve springs to start floating before rpm's could get high enough to blow the stock flywheel.

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FAQs

How does the compression release help the engine run? ›

A compression release mechanism works to ease the starting of internal combustion engines by allowing them to rotate to starting speed without having to work against the compression of the pistons.

How do you check compression on an engine with compression release? ›

You're better off using a cylinder leakage tester for most small engines. It'll give you an idea of whether the cylinder has lost much compression, and also allow you to determine whether it's leaking through valves or piston rings.

Is the Harbor Freight Predator 212 a Hemi? ›

60363 Harbor Freight Predator 212cc Hemi Engine & Parts.

How much oil does a Predator 212 Hemi take? ›

Engine Oil Type SAE 10W-30 above 32° F 5W30 at 32° F or below Capacity 0.5 Quart Run Time @ 50% Load with full tank 3 hr. The emissions control system for this Engine is warranted for standards set by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

What is the auto compression release? ›

Automatic Compression Release (ACR) valves reduce the strain of starting your high performance motor by reducing cylinder compression - automatically!

What is fast release vs slow release compression? ›

That said, if the compressor release setting is too fast, then it may cause the compression to sound unnatural or may result in 'pumping'. Slower release times are great when you want the gain reduction to cease more gradually. This can be useful in an instance where you want to give a snare more punch, for example.

What is the difference between hold and release compression? ›

Under normal operation, the release phase will begin when the input signal falls back below the threshold. But when using the hold parameter, the gain reduction continues for a period of time even when the signal has fallen back below the threshold. The release phase does not begin until the hold period has passed.

How does a compression release brake work? ›

When activated, the engine brake alters the operation of the engine's exhaust valves so that the engine works as a power-absorbing air compressor. This provides a retarding, or slowing, action to the vehicle's drive wheels, enabling you to have improved vehicle control without using the service brakes.

How does a 2 stroke compression release work? ›

When the compression release is in the cylinder it will release the pressure in the cylinder until the piston covers the port hole in the cylinder. This cuts the compression in direct relation to where the port is in the cylinder. The closer to the cylinder head the hole is the less compression there will be.

How does a decompression button work? ›

Opening a decompression valve releases gas to ensure that the peak pressure when starting the engine is reduced. This compression release means less effort is required when starting your chainsaw or other tool.

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